Comment spam sucks
It's getting worse too, bloggers are increasingly finding more and more comment spammers in their moderation queues as services like Akismet fail to cope with the sheer quantity and diversity of spam it boils down to individual bloggers to fight what must at times seem like a losing battle. But we all know that most blogs are NoFollowed so don't pass any link juice so why are the spammers doing this?
Mechanics of spam
Do spammers know something we don't after!
Lets look at a normal spam comment.

Now this is quite clearly a spam comment and was picked up by Akismet but the elements of spam are pretty much constant. Targeted keyword for name followed by the primary URL they are promoting (this is a flaw with Wordpress as much as with the spammers and one of the reasons I allow users in comments here to use a web site title.) In the main comment some basic text and the all important links. Not much to it but does it work?
Secrets of spam
In my opening paragraph I clearly stated that we all no nofollows don't pass any juice but of course I was lying! Most SEOs who have done any sort of experimentation with nofollows have come to the conclusion they do indeed pass some sort of link juice (PageRank or whatever you want to call it) in Google and it varies between search engines. The name NoFollow creates the illusion that a search engine would just discount and ignore such links but in reality these links are followed and crawled. So now we have a problem we know that NoFollows certainly are followed and they are crawled, we also know that Google for all its clever and sophistication can still be Google Bombed the question is do NoFollows carry enough weight that if enough of them are used can help improve rankings certainly Spam companies seem to think so?
Comment Spammers geniuses or idiots?
I will get on to the biggest flaw in comment spamming in a minute but why is it that while the entire SEO population is looking at nofollow as some horrible morbid disease or alternatively a clever tool to channel link juice do the spamming community see it as a great opportunity the answer lies in scale. SEOs tend to think of LinkWorth™ (I want to cover this soon to be trademarked ala Fantomaster style metric in another post) that is they tend to try and place a value or metric on a link the more its LinkWorth™ is the more valuable it is to them. The belief being that the higher the authority (we are not talking Papal or above) the more link juice will flow the better the rankings. This makes sense chase high ranking authoritative links and boost them with middle of the road authority links any one who as played any sort of strategy game will see this as a sound winning strategy. Spammers take the locust approach if an SEO is looking for a 100 middle if the road links, the spammer is looking for 10k links and they don't care from where ultimately for them its not authority size that matters but sheer volume. The question is does this tactic work?
The answer is sadly yes. Spamming blogs does in fact return viable results in Google at least in a short term but the sheer quantity of links required is immense and while we grumble about them missing the odd few comments the various Anti Spam systems are on the whole preventing any serious outbreak of automated spam taking rankings unfortunately the spammers no this.
Clever spammers
Their are two magic words that seem to be able to bypass most spam filters when used carefully and with subtle keyword linking even on first glance a typical blogger might approve them these words are "Nice" and "Cool" be afraid of these words when seen on their own. However not to be alarmist lets look at some of the more sophisticated spam techniques used today
- DoFollow lists - Many bloggers myself included do not believe in the idea of NoFollow on blogs I want to thank my commentators and to let them join the conversation with their links and so dofollow links, all be it with a couple of caveats one of which is that a commentator requires 3 comments before their links lose the nofollow attribute. I also avoid putting my name or a badge on the site preferring my readers to discover the fact as a bonus not as a selling point to commentating. That said DoFollows are a nice target for spammers, lists of sites to target are available and if they get their link past the website owner they get an authority link to boost their NoFollowed collection.
- Hand Spam - Most spam is automated and when you are dealing with huge numbers of sites you can understand why, but particularly when dealing with with DoFollow sites spammers take the time to craft their spam more carefully to get it past any human reader and more importantly the CAPTCHAs.
- Trackbacks - Most Blogs accept track/ping backs, messages from other sites that link (or appear) to the blog this has become an ever increasing way to push automated comments as it neatly avoids CAPTCHAs on sites however its major drawback is that large ping requests are easy to monitor and much of this style spam is caught by anti spam systems.
- Contextual Spam - you heard of contextual advertising, well so have spammers creating automated systems that analyse a page before sending it a personalised comment. Problem for the spammers contextual advertising sucks, so do their comments
Many spammers appear to be manual spammers who have access to a DoFollow list and have twigged that many site owners are now using plugins like Lucia Link Love and consequently they post at least 3 manual comments to get their link before moving on. They have however one fundamental flaw in their plan of all the places to spam, SEO Blogs (owned by mad Brits) is a bad idea with terrible consequences.
Companies that Spam Suck
...at reputation management.
The biggest problem with spam is it can have disastrous results just do a Google search for many of these companies to see what I mean. Would you buy from a company that uses spamming as a tactic? People clearly do but why? I personally have no idea how a company can truly believe that it's in their best interest to be called out as a spammer but they do and I'm afraid ultimately comment spamming is going to continue with little or nothing that can be done except the occasional outing by blogs such as this. I have a suggestion for comment spammers and in particularly comment spammers looking to promote their own company. Don't. not on this blog or indeed any SEO blog the repercussions are not pleasant as I'm sure some of these services are finding out.
Update
If this post reads oddly a certain company name has been removed by agreement you.
This post was inspired by Shauns' recent problems






Interesting post Tim. I didn’t know that noFollows have value, and I am afraid as more people are going to learn about it, we will have more spammers….
BTW I was always curious how these companies find clients? I mean after all it is obvious that a company who is using comment spam to promote theirselves, can’t have a good reputation or a solid business (I mean in the long term)
The answer is that a legitimate business would struggle to maintain any sort of good reputation by spamming. Many businesses do however fall foul of snake oil sellers and often do not realise the tactics their “marketing company” is employing on their behalf.
Dude, how the heck do you know all this? this is so intriguing; the fact that you know that nofollow links are in fact followed. info like that is sure to raise some scares.
Testing is the simple answer, several small tests to begin with can Google find a page which is linked to only by NoFollows. Expanded to can Google find a page on a domain which it hasn’t ever crawled.
Once you realise the answer to this is yes you start to expand the concept by looking at controlled SERPs where you know exactly how many links are going to each site within the top 10 you can start to build up a picture of how much if any weight is being given to links.
A key to remember is NoFollow much like any Condom is not 100% effective and when you are referring to comment spam its on a massive scale so while the amount of link juice escaping from your blog is very very small it eventually all adds up.
of course man! it’s simple. NOT! see, for your mathematically inclined mind it is simple. to my mind, it’s a tad bit more complex. but i suppose the best way to eat an elephant is bit by bit.
Ha, Ha quality, nice to see some of these spammers getting outed, there is one site actually ranking in the top 15 on Google.com for SEO off commenting on do follow blogs, they call themselves SEO something and go around, leaving genuine comments on dofollow blogs, ones that give there top posters site-wides etc. Google is too busy going around catching people who don’t spam and buy paid links to do anything about it. Hats off to em it is working, I just could not lower myself to that kind of level.
@ David, of course I would never dream of doing that…..
lets just say at one time I had so many dofollow links subscriptions I could sit and watch the spammers go through them one by one by email subscription notificiation - I think that was the day I thought, jeez, I have a PR 7 site, surely there’s more to this
…..but at least it was a drive by, keyword leaving, conversation adding, resource pointing comment. Not just random crap posted on ten articles. At least, I thought I was doing better than the automatic spammers!
Far too “above the raider” so I shot them down. Couldn’t resist.
Feel kinda bad about it actually, so I will clean it up if they approach me sensibly. I’ve got somebody else in my sights for this sort of SERP assassination anyways….
Sorry, But I am not seeing any XXX website or any vulgar or irrelevant thing in the Pawan Post.
Then, Please let me know - how it would be called as “SPAM”.
He could be new in SEO, I think.
You know the one thing you shouldn’t have done is make a comment like that Amit
http://amit2110.stumbleupon.com/
Your best bet was to quietly contacted Shaun and apologised he would have got in contact with me and we would have laughed and removed the various references and you would have learnt a valuable lesson. Hiding who you are (badly) and making a comment like that just makes you look silly.
If you want your current reputation management problems to go away you can visit Shaun site and make the relevant public apology then get in touch with Shaun his contact details are on his site if and when he is happy I’m sure he will let me know
Hey Tim,
That I will do, But I think, Shaun can contact me before doing all this. He (Pawan) is a new guy in SEO and he is learning. So, please take light.
Amit
Aha hello Amit! How are you ?
Shaun
I am good. U tell me??
I think, u should not use the Company name - There are many other ways to check all these issues. Have you mailed to him (Pawan)?
Problem is it might be an individual within the company who may have been “over eager” but he did it in the company name, this is not personal in terms of an individual but the company employed person or persons who spammed SEO blogs and you suffered the very light consequences.
I’m sorry Amit but that was the link to the website - seo company to seo company - I wasn’t going to pick on an individual direct.
Do you see why it annoyed me?
If you want that I should apologize for this. OK I will, Where I need to do this. Tell me now.
Let be finish it quickly.
You know, I am an ethical SEO guy and never used SPAM kind of things and also hates it. Even I am getting many SPAM on my blog itself. Actually What I think is that - Its natural.
I hope, you understand it.
Amit
Amit half way through that comment I thought - OK that is it finished. But now I think you are not very transparent. I don’t think you did anything too bad. One comment, I would have allowed, even two or 3 in one visit.
10 comments like this is not smart. I will however accept your apology live on Tim’s blog and see how I can repair your serps quickly.
I would add that to help improve confidence in you and your service you might also like to tell people how you will prevent this from happening. For example you might want to guarantee you will provide additional training and warning to your staff
Ya! that’s for sure Tim.
Ya Thanks! Shawan.
That would be really great. I will assure you that it would never happen now.
Let’s be good friends and spread some green
Thanks & Regards,
AMIT
Amit - As long as that ‘green’ is through thinking more about your page content than other people’s content, I am happy.
Please don’t just add comments to others’s blogs JUST for the link. There a lot of blogs out there that you may actually like reading and get to know the owner by reading the content.
As a reformed comment spammer, I know this
In the interest of good karma, that is the end of it. Hope you learned how to do it a bit more ninja-like.
Ya definetly! Shaun.
Please remove that post from your blog.
Thanks,
Amit
We said we would clean up our posts which we will do, but you are not in a position to demand their removal
both of them have valuable information on how spammers operate that while you may have inspired are not related to your company.
Also if we were to totally remove the posts your SERPs would be damaged for months
which I’m guessing you wouldn’t want. You might have noticed we are quite good at this SEO lark so leave us to get on with it and restore your site to it’s rightful place.
Good advice Tim
amit, it’s nice to see that you have made up with both Tim and Shaun. And have decided to play nice and make sure that comment spam isn’t a problem in the future.
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