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	<description>The Stuff Consultant</description>
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		<title>By: Matt</title>
		<link>http://www.timnash.co.uk/01/2009/online-data-collection/comment-page-1/#comment-2189</link>
		<dc:creator>Matt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Jan 2009 08:57:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tim, thanks again for a great case study.  We have been using online profiling for our ecommerce site.  Your case study has shown us another path to explore.

Since we have recently implemented Google Checkout, I will be trying your method to increase our gc conversions.

Thanks
Matt</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tim, thanks again for a great case study.  We have been using online profiling for our ecommerce site.  Your case study has shown us another path to explore.</p>
<p>Since we have recently implemented Google Checkout, I will be trying your method to increase our gc conversions.</p>
<p>Thanks<br />
Matt</p>
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		<title>By: Tim Nash</title>
		<link>http://www.timnash.co.uk/01/2009/online-data-collection/comment-page-1/#comment-2175</link>
		<dc:creator>Tim Nash</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Jan 2009 22:30:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just to add that if I managed to social engineer a person to launch a script locally I think we could come up with something a bit more nefarious then reading website domains. 

Ultimately this post is about social engineering and profiling grabbing data from any source you can, be it twitter, facebook or blog comments.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just to add that if I managed to social engineer a person to launch a script locally I think we could come up with something a bit more nefarious then reading website domains. </p>
<p>Ultimately this post is about social engineering and profiling grabbing data from any source you can, be it twitter, facebook or blog comments.</p>
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		<title>By: Tim Nash</title>
		<link>http://www.timnash.co.uk/01/2009/online-data-collection/comment-page-1/#comment-2174</link>
		<dc:creator>Tim Nash</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Jan 2009 22:22:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It does tend to depend on browser as to exactly what you can do, for example if your user is using IE then you have to jump thrugh a couple of additional hoops but most allow limited access to read and extract content by getelementbyid for example. Where cross domain issues come in is if I wanted to say change the wording in the other frame if it was from a different domain. Then each browser has its own rules by which it can or can&#039;t do also I tended to notice lots of related issues with running long functions but I suspect thats timeout issue. As mentioned in the article a lot of people get access denied problems not due to security restrictions but the fact the frame has yet to load. 

Talking with a lovely gentlemen the other day who wanted to remain nameless suggested using javascript executed through flash was an alternate method as it bypassed many of the safeguards put in place by the browser, but in turn will meet flash own limited ones I haven&#039;t tested this but he did show several impressive examples using what appeared to be this technique.

It really needs to be emphasised the information you can grab is very very limited, their is an exception to this and that is if the javascript is run on the local machine. i.e if I could convince a user to execute a script residing on their local machine, then you would have full read/write access.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It does tend to depend on browser as to exactly what you can do, for example if your user is using IE then you have to jump thrugh a couple of additional hoops but most allow limited access to read and extract content by getelementbyid for example. Where cross domain issues come in is if I wanted to say change the wording in the other frame if it was from a different domain. Then each browser has its own rules by which it can or can&#8217;t do also I tended to notice lots of related issues with running long functions but I suspect thats timeout issue. As mentioned in the article a lot of people get access denied problems not due to security restrictions but the fact the frame has yet to load. </p>
<p>Talking with a lovely gentlemen the other day who wanted to remain nameless suggested using javascript executed through flash was an alternate method as it bypassed many of the safeguards put in place by the browser, but in turn will meet flash own limited ones I haven&#8217;t tested this but he did show several impressive examples using what appeared to be this technique.</p>
<p>It really needs to be emphasised the information you can grab is very very limited, their is an exception to this and that is if the javascript is run on the local machine. i.e if I could convince a user to execute a script residing on their local machine, then you would have full read/write access.</p>
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		<title>By: Will Critchlow</title>
		<link>http://www.timnash.co.uk/01/2009/online-data-collection/comment-page-1/#comment-2173</link>
		<dc:creator>Will Critchlow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Jan 2009 19:03:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I didn&#039;t think you could access the attributes of an iframe&#039;s contents via javascript when the main page and the contents of the iframe were on different domains?

Wouldn&#039;t you just hit permission denied on the window.frames[&#039;myframe&#039;].document.getelementbyid?

I must be missing something?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I didn&#8217;t think you could access the attributes of an iframe&#8217;s contents via javascript when the main page and the contents of the iframe were on different domains?</p>
<p>Wouldn&#8217;t you just hit permission denied on the window.frames['myframe'].document.getelementbyid?</p>
<p>I must be missing something?</p>
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		<title>By: Tim Nash</title>
		<link>http://www.timnash.co.uk/01/2009/online-data-collection/comment-page-1/#comment-2169</link>
		<dc:creator>Tim Nash</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Jan 2009 11:37:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Its worth remembering that the above does not gain access in the traditional sense, your browser (i.e you) are doing the access and then the information is just being extracted and shunted back to the site. Also its worth remembering it takes time and so for a really deep profile the site would have to keep you stationary for a little while, say a really long blog post...

or a flash game, then its reliant on a bit of social engineering humans are creature of habit, the first thing I do is open my emails the second is look at messages, the funny picture of my mates friday night out etc, of course in theory this should effect users surfing the web from work less because depending on company policy they wouldn&#039;t have opened a gmail account or facebook but how many people really obey company policies?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Its worth remembering that the above does not gain access in the traditional sense, your browser (i.e you) are doing the access and then the information is just being extracted and shunted back to the site. Also its worth remembering it takes time and so for a really deep profile the site would have to keep you stationary for a little while, say a really long blog post&#8230;</p>
<p>or a flash game, then its reliant on a bit of social engineering humans are creature of habit, the first thing I do is open my emails the second is look at messages, the funny picture of my mates friday night out etc, of course in theory this should effect users surfing the web from work less because depending on company policy they wouldn&#8217;t have opened a gmail account or facebook but how many people really obey company policies?</p>
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		<title>By: Michele</title>
		<link>http://www.timnash.co.uk/01/2009/online-data-collection/comment-page-1/#comment-2168</link>
		<dc:creator>Michele</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Jan 2009 22:42:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sounds like you have been busy on another great research project. After seeing Google display my Adsense id and email accounts on search pages on another browser tab , I quickly realized that I was being tracked.

I had little doubt that Google tracks everything we do, they&#039;ve not exactly made a secret of it. But, in my limited knowledge of cookies and tracking it seemed quite probable that others could gain information to my accounts if I surfed while logged in. Your findings prove my suspicions to be correct.

Good for marketing, I suppose; but horrific for personal data security. The last 4 digits and type of credit card??? Guess, I won&#039;t be using Google Check out if I can help it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sounds like you have been busy on another great research project. After seeing Google display my Adsense id and email accounts on search pages on another browser tab , I quickly realized that I was being tracked.</p>
<p>I had little doubt that Google tracks everything we do, they&#8217;ve not exactly made a secret of it. But, in my limited knowledge of cookies and tracking it seemed quite probable that others could gain information to my accounts if I surfed while logged in. Your findings prove my suspicions to be correct.</p>
<p>Good for marketing, I suppose; but horrific for personal data security. The last 4 digits and type of credit card??? Guess, I won&#8217;t be using Google Check out if I can help it.</p>
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		<title>By: links for 2009-01-06 &#124; grant watson</title>
		<link>http://www.timnash.co.uk/01/2009/online-data-collection/comment-page-1/#comment-2165</link>
		<dc:creator>links for 2009-01-06 &#124; grant watson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Jan 2009 22:01:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Online Profiling – The good, the bad and the plain evil • Tim Nash UK SEO Blog If this has worried you a little then remember the solution is simple, log in and out of your sites, if you must stay logged in use a different browser (or in Chrome and new Firefox user their privacy mode) (tags: marketing web2.0 privacy browser javascript) [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Online Profiling – The good, the bad and the plain evil • Tim Nash UK SEO Blog If this has worried you a little then remember the solution is simple, log in and out of your sites, if you must stay logged in use a different browser (or in Chrome and new Firefox user their privacy mode) (tags: marketing web2.0 privacy browser javascript) [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Tim Nash</title>
		<link>http://www.timnash.co.uk/01/2009/online-data-collection/comment-page-1/#comment-2164</link>
		<dc:creator>Tim Nash</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Jan 2009 17:52:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That only helps on session exit not while your currently surfing ;) though it will help with the css history aspect.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That only helps on session exit not while your currently surfing <img src='http://www.timnash.co.uk/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' />  though it will help with the css history aspect.</p>
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		<title>By: JB</title>
		<link>http://www.timnash.co.uk/01/2009/online-data-collection/comment-page-1/#comment-2163</link>
		<dc:creator>JB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Jan 2009 17:28:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>CCleaner rules!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>CCleaner rules!</p>
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