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	<title>Comments on: Does Flash SEO still suck?</title>
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		<title>By: Flash SEO Indexing Revisited Part 1 &#8226; Tim Nash UK SEO Blog</title>
		<link>http://www.timnash.co.uk/02/2008/swf-seo/#comment-1650</link>
		<dc:creator>Flash SEO Indexing Revisited Part 1 &#8226; Tim Nash UK SEO Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jul 2008 15:52:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] in February I updated a post (Flash the SEO Devil?) from previous April discussing a set 30 tests over 4 domains to see what information the search [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Tim Nash</title>
		<link>http://www.timnash.co.uk/02/2008/swf-seo/#comment-1457</link>
		<dc:creator>Tim Nash</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jul 2008 19:25:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Unfortunately, as we have already seen it doesn't actually help deal with any of the &lt;a href="http://www.timnash.co.uk/07/2008/swf-indexing/" rel="nofollow"&gt;underlying problems with Flash&lt;/a&gt;, it doesn't actually help with ranking content all it does is hopefully eek out some more of the written content from flash files by mimicking the flash player.

The bigger problem for me at least is peoples belief that it should, by that I mean adobe have gone to great lengths to try and avoid upsetting their developer community and consequently haven't got any mechanisms in place to help rank Flash. 

So rather then eeking out another 0.0001% of content out, how about they sit down and deal with the real issues and face up to the fact that if they want Flex (and its flex this was really about) to work they are going to need to at least mimic some of html functions or provide workarounds for headings, anchor text etc and then let their community decide if they will actually do the work to make their own projects search friendly!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Unfortunately, as we have already seen it doesn&#8217;t actually help deal with any of the <a href="http://www.timnash.co.uk/07/2008/swf-indexing/" >underlying problems with Flash</a>, it doesn&#8217;t actually help with ranking content all it does is hopefully eek out some more of the written content from flash files by mimicking the flash player.</p>
<p>The bigger problem for me at least is peoples belief that it should, by that I mean adobe have gone to great lengths to try and avoid upsetting their developer community and consequently haven&#8217;t got any mechanisms in place to help rank Flash. </p>
<p>So rather then eeking out another 0.0001% of content out, how about they sit down and deal with the real issues and face up to the fact that if they want Flex (and its flex this was really about) to work they are going to need to at least mimic some of html functions or provide workarounds for headings, anchor text etc and then let their community decide if they will actually do the work to make their own projects search friendly!</p>
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		<title>By: Charles Benninghoff</title>
		<link>http://www.timnash.co.uk/02/2008/swf-seo/#comment-1455</link>
		<dc:creator>Charles Benninghoff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jul 2008 18:46:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Adobe recently announced that it had given code to major search engines such as Yahoo and Google to help them index flash pages.  See &lt;a href="http://www.webware.com/8301-1_109-9981616-2.html" title="Adobe Helps Indexers" rel="nofollow"&gt;Adobe Helps Indexers&lt;/a&gt;.  Although Google has had sophisticated search tools already for flash pages, this contribution by Adobe will certainly help turn catchy flash sites into newsworthy, indexable information sources as well.  Now it is up to SEO gurus to turn the copy on flash sites into something meaningful.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Adobe recently announced that it had given code to major search engines such as Yahoo and Google to help them index flash pages.  See <a href="http://www.webware.com/8301-1_109-9981616-2.html" onclick="javascript:pageTracker._trackPageview('/outbound/comment/http://www.webware.com/8301-1_109-9981616-2.html');" title="Adobe Helps Indexers">Adobe Helps Indexers</a>.  Although Google has had sophisticated search tools already for flash pages, this contribution by Adobe will certainly help turn catchy flash sites into newsworthy, indexable information sources as well.  Now it is up to SEO gurus to turn the copy on flash sites into something meaningful.</p>
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		<title>By: Adobe you just don&#8217;t get search! &#8226; Tim Nash UK SEO Blog</title>
		<link>http://www.timnash.co.uk/02/2008/swf-seo/#comment-1436</link>
		<dc:creator>Adobe you just don&#8217;t get search! &#8226; Tim Nash UK SEO Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jul 2008 06:50:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] for Flash, indeed I have it on my machine now and Google have been using it for some time, so is Flash SEO Friendly? (answer no) So I was a bit surprised to see an announcement and went to look for the [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Jim</title>
		<link>http://www.timnash.co.uk/02/2008/swf-seo/#comment-1291</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Jun 2008 18:20:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you don't need flash, why use it, it is hard enough to get on the first page as it is?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you don&#8217;t need flash, why use it, it is hard enough to get on the first page as it is?</p>
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		<title>By: mike</title>
		<link>http://www.timnash.co.uk/02/2008/swf-seo/#comment-932</link>
		<dc:creator>mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Apr 2008 03:31:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i may have totally missed something, but what about adding metadata using title and description in flash document properties? i've read some things here and there that this will be indexed. whether or not it will rank high might be another story. also, will adding metadata using the tile and description in document properties work for multiple swfs loading into multiple levels??</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i may have totally missed something, but what about adding metadata using title and description in flash document properties? i&#8217;ve read some things here and there that this will be indexed. whether or not it will rank high might be another story. also, will adding metadata using the tile and description in document properties work for multiple swfs loading into multiple levels??</p>
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		<title>By: nathan</title>
		<link>http://www.timnash.co.uk/02/2008/swf-seo/#comment-795</link>
		<dc:creator>nathan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Apr 2008 12:24:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>swfobject can essentially cloak...</description>
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		<title>By: SEO 2.0 &#124; What Easter Can Teach Us About Web 2.0, Social Media and Blogging</title>
		<link>http://www.timnash.co.uk/02/2008/swf-seo/#comment-785</link>
		<dc:creator>SEO 2.0 &#124; What Easter Can Teach Us About Web 2.0, Social Media and Blogging</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Mar 2008 09:22:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] I get more and more traffic via blogs and sites that link to me, where I guest posted or even commented. Thus the success of others is also my [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Ilia B</title>
		<link>http://www.timnash.co.uk/02/2008/swf-seo/#comment-718</link>
		<dc:creator>Ilia B</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Mar 2008 19:19:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There should be some sort of legal cloaking system in place for flash websites.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There should be some sort of legal cloaking system in place for flash websites.</p>
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		<title>By: Colin Boyd</title>
		<link>http://www.timnash.co.uk/02/2008/swf-seo/#comment-696</link>
		<dc:creator>Colin Boyd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Feb 2008 23:23:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I still cringe when I hear a client ask for flash on the homepage, although connection speeds are getting better flash does a good job slowing most sites down. This is probably due to the flash "designers" not having an once of marketing in them. one client asked for a 13 minute flash movie on the homepage when the average visit time was 4 minutes. Barmy!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I still cringe when I hear a client ask for flash on the homepage, although connection speeds are getting better flash does a good job slowing most sites down. This is probably due to the flash &#8220;designers&#8221; not having an once of marketing in them. one client asked for a 13 minute flash movie on the homepage when the average visit time was 4 minutes. Barmy!</p>
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