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		<title>By: Melanie</title>
		<link>http://www.timnash.co.uk/10/2011/can-google-really-prevent-murders/comment-page-1/#comment-4976</link>
		<dc:creator>Melanie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Oct 2011 12:40:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I can certainly believe that the intention started out genuine, but the way this spins is just wrong. If the intention is to protect privacy then post a CLEAR history link on Google search pages. If however, it&#039;s about the cash ... then proceed as planned.

Besides the IT boyfriend would have been key logging on the network =P

To me the truth is this:

If it&#039;s private information (which it&#039;s not), then block it in all platforms... Don&#039;t just make me pay for it. Really seems &quot;dirty&quot; when you say it like that.

Secondly, using a computer, the Internet, software etc comes with a certain responsibility on behalf of the user. If the girlfriend cannot manage to clear her search history... well lesson learned I guess.

It is wrong for Google to play mom and dad to the world and babysit our stupid selves to protect us. No one can learn from a lesson that never happened.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can certainly believe that the intention started out genuine, but the way this spins is just wrong. If the intention is to protect privacy then post a CLEAR history link on Google search pages. If however, it&#8217;s about the cash &#8230; then proceed as planned.</p>
<p>Besides the IT boyfriend would have been key logging on the network =P</p>
<p>To me the truth is this:</p>
<p>If it&#8217;s private information (which it&#8217;s not), then block it in all platforms&#8230; Don&#8217;t just make me pay for it. Really seems &#8220;dirty&#8221; when you say it like that.</p>
<p>Secondly, using a computer, the Internet, software etc comes with a certain responsibility on behalf of the user. If the girlfriend cannot manage to clear her search history&#8230; well lesson learned I guess.</p>
<p>It is wrong for Google to play mom and dad to the world and babysit our stupid selves to protect us. No one can learn from a lesson that never happened.</p>
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		<title>By: Tim Nash</title>
		<link>http://www.timnash.co.uk/10/2011/can-google-really-prevent-murders/comment-page-1/#comment-4964</link>
		<dc:creator>Tim Nash</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Oct 2011 15:55:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It&#039;s also optional field that the client browser can pass to the server, the browser doesn&#039;t have to pass it and if you change transport layers it get&#039;s lost. That&#039;s why SSL-&gt;SSL still works. They are not breaking the protocol even if they did in hypothetical scenario drop it through the loop forcing no query strings across. They could simple choose to adopt an entirely separate URL structure and you wouldn&#039;t get any data anyway. 

Google is a business it happens to send large amount of traffic if it changes it&#039;s URL structure to not present you with any query string that&#039;s not causing the end of the internet as we know it. It certainly fully entitled to do so and it&#039;s certainly not effecting a already deeply flawed and broken protocol. If Google was to rewrite a browser to secretly strip a required non optional header then that&#039;s another story.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s also optional field that the client browser can pass to the server, the browser doesn&#8217;t have to pass it and if you change transport layers it get&#8217;s lost. That&#8217;s why SSL->SSL still works. They are not breaking the protocol even if they did in hypothetical scenario drop it through the loop forcing no query strings across. They could simple choose to adopt an entirely separate URL structure and you wouldn&#8217;t get any data anyway. </p>
<p>Google is a business it happens to send large amount of traffic if it changes it&#8217;s URL structure to not present you with any query string that&#8217;s not causing the end of the internet as we know it. It certainly fully entitled to do so and it&#8217;s certainly not effecting a already deeply flawed and broken protocol. If Google was to rewrite a browser to secretly strip a required non optional header then that&#8217;s another story.</p>
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		<title>By: Doc Sheldon</title>
		<link>http://www.timnash.co.uk/10/2011/can-google-really-prevent-murders/comment-page-1/#comment-4963</link>
		<dc:creator>Doc Sheldon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Oct 2011 15:54:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Interesting perspective, Tim. You&#039;ve definitely made me reconsider my first reaction to this news. Good stuff!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting perspective, Tim. You&#8217;ve definitely made me reconsider my first reaction to this news. Good stuff!</p>
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		<title>By: Jason Duke</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jason Duke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Oct 2011 15:45:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You say &lt;cite&gt;Either way the damage for SEO might be massive but overall it’s not a big deal for anyone else.&lt;/cite&gt;

I disagree completely. Anyone who operates a website will be affected. The referer system is part of the http specifications - http://www.w3.org/Protocols/HTTP/HTRQ_Headers.html#z14

This may become the thin end of the wedge - A protocol only remains an effective protocol while it is being used. Purposely breaking a protocol can not be good for anyone who operates online]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You say <cite>Either way the damage for SEO might be massive but overall it’s not a big deal for anyone else.</cite></p>
<p>I disagree completely. Anyone who operates a website will be affected. The referer system is part of the http specifications &#8211; <a href="http://www.w3.org/Protocols/HTTP/HTRQ_Headers.html#z14" rel="nofollow">http://www.w3.org/Protocols/HTTP/HTRQ_Headers.html#z14</a></p>
<p>This may become the thin end of the wedge &#8211; A protocol only remains an effective protocol while it is being used. Purposely breaking a protocol can not be good for anyone who operates online</p>
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		<title>By: Tim Nash</title>
		<link>http://www.timnash.co.uk/10/2011/can-google-really-prevent-murders/comment-page-1/#comment-4961</link>
		<dc:creator>Tim Nash</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Oct 2011 13:35:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[We will see my understanding is the opposite (though I don&#039;t have an on a record comment so it may have changed) and I would be surprised if that&#039;s the case, Either way the damage for SEO might be massive but overall it&#039;s not a big deal for anyone else.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We will see my understanding is the opposite (though I don&#8217;t have an on a record comment so it may have changed) and I would be surprised if that&#8217;s the case, Either way the damage for SEO might be massive but overall it&#8217;s not a big deal for anyone else.</p>
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		<title>By: Jason Duke</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jason Duke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Oct 2011 13:24:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Tim, 

To be clear the current encrypted.google.com is NOT the same service that is being pushed out.

I am quoting Danny Sullivan who quotes Matt Cutts at http://searchengineland.com/google-to-begin-encrypting-searches-outbound-clicks-by-default-97435

&lt;cite&gt;But Google Encrypted Search, as Google told me today, doesn’t block referrer data in the way that the new service does,&lt;/cite&gt;

and then goes onto say,

&lt;cite&gt;For example, if you used Google Encrypted Search and clicked on a result to come here to Search Engine Land, because we don’t run encryption, the referrer isn’t passed along. But Cutts said that if we did run encryption — or if any site did — they they would get the referrer data passed along.
&lt;/cite&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tim, </p>
<p>To be clear the current encrypted.google.com is NOT the same service that is being pushed out.</p>
<p>I am quoting Danny Sullivan who quotes Matt Cutts at <a href="http://searchengineland.com/google-to-begin-encrypting-searches-outbound-clicks-by-default-97435" rel="nofollow">http://searchengineland.com/google-to-begin-encrypting-searches-outbound-clicks-by-default-97435</a></p>
<p><cite>But Google Encrypted Search, as Google told me today, doesn’t block referrer data in the way that the new service does,</cite></p>
<p>and then goes onto say,</p>
<p><cite>For example, if you used Google Encrypted Search and clicked on a result to come here to Search Engine Land, because we don’t run encryption, the referrer isn’t passed along. But Cutts said that if we did run encryption — or if any site did — they they would get the referrer data passed along.<br />
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		<title>By: Tim Nash</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tim Nash</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Oct 2011 13:17:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Sounds like a PR team who has been listening to a pile of whinging SEOs personally]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sounds like a PR team who has been listening to a pile of whinging SEOs personally</p>
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		<title>By: Tim Nash</title>
		<link>http://www.timnash.co.uk/10/2011/can-google-really-prevent-murders/comment-page-1/#comment-4958</link>
		<dc:creator>Tim Nash</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Oct 2011 13:16:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[They have been running encrypted.google.com for quite some time and certainly both mine and Dan&#039;s data seem to back from that source there is no issue and one of our clients forces their workforce through it (Don&#039;t ask) which actually means we have had some test data. But only time will tell]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They have been running encrypted.google.com for quite some time and certainly both mine and Dan&#8217;s data seem to back from that source there is no issue and one of our clients forces their workforce through it (Don&#8217;t ask) which actually means we have had some test data. But only time will tell</p>
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		<title>By: Jason Duke</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jason Duke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Oct 2011 13:15:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[From the official Google announcement at - http://googleblog.blogspot.com/2011/10/making-search-more-secure.html

&lt;cite&gt;Over the next few weeks, many of you will find yourselves redirected to https://www.google.com (note the extra “s”) when you’re signed in to your Google Account&lt;/cite&gt;

That says that it isn&#039;t fully rolled out yet but is starting to be pushed out there.


&lt;cite&gt;What does this mean for sites that receive clicks from Google search results? When you search from https://www.google.com, websites you visit from our organic search listings will still know that you came from Google, but won&#039;t receive information about each individual query. &lt;/cite&gt;

That infers to me they are sending a referer but making a conscious decision (in effect writing more code to make sure it is the case) and ensuring the referer doesn&#039;t deliver search query information


&lt;cite&gt; If you choose to click on an ad appearing on our search results page, your browser will continue to send the relevant query over the network to enable advertisers to measure the effectiveness of their campaigns and to improve the ads and offers they present to you&lt;/cite&gt;

That says to me they are sending the full referer information, including the search query to advertisers. IE, choosing to break only organic referers and not ads.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From the official Google announcement at &#8211; <a href="http://googleblog.blogspot.com/2011/10/making-search-more-secure.html" rel="nofollow">http://googleblog.blogspot.com/2011/10/making-search-more-secure.html</a></p>
<p><cite>Over the next few weeks, many of you will find yourselves redirected to <a href="https://www.google.com" rel="nofollow">https://www.google.com</a> (note the extra “s”) when you’re signed in to your Google Account</cite></p>
<p>That says that it isn&#8217;t fully rolled out yet but is starting to be pushed out there.</p>
<p><cite>What does this mean for sites that receive clicks from Google search results? When you search from <a href="https://www.google.com" rel="nofollow">https://www.google.com</a>, websites you visit from our organic search listings will still know that you came from Google, but won&#8217;t receive information about each individual query. </cite></p>
<p>That infers to me they are sending a referer but making a conscious decision (in effect writing more code to make sure it is the case) and ensuring the referer doesn&#8217;t deliver search query information</p>
<p><cite> If you choose to click on an ad appearing on our search results page, your browser will continue to send the relevant query over the network to enable advertisers to measure the effectiveness of their campaigns and to improve the ads and offers they present to you</cite></p>
<p>That says to me they are sending the full referer information, including the search query to advertisers. IE, choosing to break only organic referers and not ads.</p>
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		<title>By: Jason Duke</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jason Duke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Oct 2011 13:03:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[We&#039;re in agreement then Tim :)

&lt;cite&gt;I really don’t believe they are intentionally dropping SSL-&gt;SSL keywords and do not see that in our analytics but if they do introduce this then it’s a bad thing.&lt;/cite&gt;

This is the real test and we will only know for sure once it is started to be rolled out. As I understand matters the roll out of their announcement yesterday hasn&#039;t occurred yet which explains why you won&#039;t see it in your Analytics but it is my understanding of what they intend to do and purely for Organic rather than Paid results]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We&#8217;re in agreement then Tim <img src='http://www.timnash.co.uk/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p><cite>I really don’t believe they are intentionally dropping SSL-&gt;SSL keywords and do not see that in our analytics but if they do introduce this then it’s a bad thing.</cite></p>
<p>This is the real test and we will only know for sure once it is started to be rolled out. As I understand matters the roll out of their announcement yesterday hasn&#8217;t occurred yet which explains why you won&#8217;t see it in your Analytics but it is my understanding of what they intend to do and purely for Organic rather than Paid results</p>
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