Comments on: Lies, damn lies and PageRank statistics

By: önder

önder — Tue, 03 Jun 2008 17:17:40 +0000

For me pagerank is a tool which is a starting point for text link sellers. and here is a point that we have to know; if your web page doesnt include what people are looking for your pagerank doesnt mean anything.

By: Link Worth – What’s yours worth • Tim Nash UK SEO Blog

Link Worth – What’s yours worth • Tim Nash UK SEO Blog — Fri, 30 May 2008 15:32:44 +0000

[...] never know “Link Worth” and Page Rank may have many factors in common but they are not the same beast (pun intended for regular readers [...]

By: Jamie Horsley

Jamie Horsley — Thu, 21 Feb 2008 16:04:12 +0000

Page Rank is key to high listings

Jamie

By: Jim McNelis

Jim McNelis — Mon, 18 Feb 2008 15:02:39 +0000

Well I have enjoyed our little conversation/debate on the matter (seems we do agree for the most part).

I made a post on the importance of Toolbar PageRank which is related to our conversation:

Why Toolbar PageRank is Important

By: Tim Nash

Tim Nash — Mon, 18 Feb 2008 14:52:39 +0000

You can assign your own weight to a given factor but the PageRank effects the page not the keyword now the page obviously effects the keywords ranking. So whatever ranking factors are in place the combined PageRank factors are only one group. You can debate till your blue in the face how much influence they do or don’t have but as we have already determined they are as a collective not the only factor.

By: Jim McNelis

Jim McNelis — Mon, 18 Feb 2008 14:41:08 +0000

The PageRank metric uses common factors to those seen as factors in ranking a page but not a given keyword.

I think you are close here Tim, but the statement does not give enough weight to PageRank, in my opinion.

I can fully optimize a page for “life insurance” but no matter what I do with the keywords on-page or off-page, I am not going to be able to achieve a top 10 result in the SERPs for that keyword without PageRank.

By: Tim Nash

Tim Nash — Mon, 18 Feb 2008 14:18:59 +0000

Not really lets try…

The PageRank metric uses common factors to those seen as factors in ranking a page but not a given keyword.

That is a fair and accurate statement if Google does or does not combine the factors is irrelevant their is commonality but more factors go into the ranking of a page for a keyword then simply its PageRank.

By: Jim McNelis

Jim McNelis — Mon, 18 Feb 2008 14:08:30 +0000

Well put Tim. I guess we do see eye-to-eye on this issue.

The same metrics are used to determine real PR and to determine SERP rankings in Google for a given keyword.

Do we agree on that statement?

By: Tim Nash

Tim Nash — Mon, 18 Feb 2008 13:58:55 +0000

Thankfully apart from some academic interest their is little reason to ponder if it is or isn’t

Since the factors are on the whole the same ones that help you rank, whether Google takes those factors on an individual basis or by combining them into some metric (PageRank) first and then uses purely that makes little practical difference in the long run. Though it would (and does) make a huge difference in the out come of the SERPs.

Where it is important is dicussing why when looking at sites as a whole the use of Toolbar PR is flawed and how as a metric it is an appalling one to use for determining value.

By: Jim McNelis

Jim McNelis — Mon, 18 Feb 2008 13:53:48 +0000

Ah so you are discussing the Toolbar PageRank not real PageRank? I’ll concede that TBPR isn’t a huge factor for SERP rankings. I will go as far as to say it is related though, since TBPR is based on real PageRank.

I still stand behind the fact that PageRank is the equation behind Google’s search engine. It may not be the only one, but it’s a major factor.